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Criminalising Extreme Porn: Dangerous Pictures Bill: The UK Government have introduced a Criminal Justice & Immigration Bill to criminalise the possession of adult, staged, consensual violent pornography with draconian penalties of up to 3 years in prison.

Support for proposed law? No Yes
Individuals 223 90
Organisations 18 53
Totals 241 143

Public Consultation: A biased Government consultation was initiated but the unsupportive responses were sidestepped. The Government then recruited a team of feminists to try and bolster their case with a discredited Rapid Evidence Assessment

Current Status: The Dangerous Pictures chapter of the Criminal Justice and Immigration bill is now detailed online with explanatory notes. The Bill was debated in Parliament on 8th October 2007. It passed through committee and then the 3rd reading unamended on 9th January 2008. It is now to being debated in Lords Committee with report debates on 27th March, 2nd, 21st & 23rd April with 3rd Reading 30th April.

Police raid house

See Backlash to oppose this law.

 

27th December   A Right Response

Charles Hendry is the Conservative MP for Wealden

From www.backlash-uk.org.uk

Thank you for your letter of 20th October 2005 raising your concerns on the rights for Sadomasochists and the Home Office's proposals on possession of "extreme" pornography. In general my view is that the Government should not intervene in what people do in the privacy of their own home unless this affects the rights or wellbeing of others.

I am raising your issues with the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State Paul Goggins MP at the Home Office and as soon as I have received his response, I will be in touch with you again.

Yours sincerely,

Charles Hendry

 

23rd December   Government Not Listening

From The Melon Farmers' Forum

Shaun 21-Dec-2005

Just tried to ask the home office about the consultation, and where the responses would be posted, and the email was returned to me.

Subject: `Consultation on possession of extreme pornographic material`
Sent on `Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:45:36 GMT`
To: `CLPUconsultations@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

The above Email has been blocked and has not reached the intended recipient. You are advised to identify and correct the problem or contact your systems administrator or Email service provider for advice.

It seems like their server doesn`t like the word "pornographic" in the Email. It was resent OK with 'pornographic' replaced by 'graphic'

How are they supposed to do their job with this kind of stupid censorship ?

I wonder how many responses have been blocked because of this

IanG 21-Dec-2005

I think such blocking mechanisms demonstrate the levels of infancy in Government departments. There`s nothing `wrong` or `rude` or `offensive` about the word "pornography". Indeed, the word was created by Government ministers to describe "the writings of prostitutes" at the time the OPA 1851 was introduced.

Of course, such a block may have been introduced very recently because the HO are tired of receiving responses to the consultation. Moreso, if as I suspect, the majority do not agree with the Government proposals.

BigAndrew 21-Dec-2005

The Home Office don`t dictate what gets blocked. They are the same as the Dept I work for and the work is carried out by an external supplier. They can of course ask for certain things to be allowed but generally it`s left to the company providing the service.

 

22nd December   Banned Art

Thanks to Alan:

You may find this link interesting:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14933-1799762,00.html

It's a review of a photographic exhibition at the Barbican by Nobuyoshi Araki. It seems that some of the mterial would fall within the categories likely to be banned by proposed legislation. Do they intend it to catch "high art", or just punters buying "dirty" pics/films? (Is class rearing its ugly head?)

 

13th December   A Legal View

Those good people at www.backlash-uk.org.uk  and the Spanner Trust got together to get a legal opinion about whether the Government's proposal is compatible with the European Convention of Human Rights

Rabinder Singh, QC, examined the proposal and answered: In conclusion, I consider that the legislation as proposed gives rise to real concerns as to its compatibility with an individual's rights under Articles 8 & 10 of the Convention

See the full opinion: A legal opinion in the matter of the Consultation Paper on the Possession of Extreme Pornographic Material (pdf)

 

10th December   Wrong Type of Liberty

See Response from Liberty (offsite pdf)

Liberty have historically had scant regard for the liberty to enjoy sexual entertainment. It would seem to be fair enough to target one's cash at areas that they consider more important but I would have thought they could at least have respect for sexual liberty. If anything they seem to support state prohibitions in the sexual arena.

Their response to the Government's consultation is woefully weak. Hopefully it is just symptomatic of spending little time on thinking through the issues rather than an active support for some of the scary consequences.

I wonder how many victims of dawn raids and heavy handed persecutions there will be and whether they will go and knock on Liberty's door and ask for help. Probably get the reply: Sorry mate, wrong type of liberty. We don't believe in SEXUAL liberty.

And as Shaun points out below, their half hearted response will surely be used by the Government to support the repressive proposal. Shameful!
 

10th December   Dear Liberty people -

Shaun points out some of Liberty's shameful lack of thought

Please read your document at the following web page:

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/resources/policy-papers/2005/extreme-pornographic-material-ho-consultation.PDF

For an organisation dealing in the upholding of our Human Rights, your response to the new wave of repression intended by the government, in their intention to make criminals of those who possess certain forms of extreme adult pornographic material, is utterly *shameful* .

You make no mention of the fact that possession would still be illegal if the works were staged, or faked rather than real, and the government ought to at least be required to PROVE the pictures they wish to criminalise are in fact real. You also do not mention that the government has not exactly specified *exactly* what is, and is not to be prohibited, and you do not mention other visual material which is intended for prohibition.

You should also have noted that the government itself admits in their consultation document that it has NO evidence of harm. As far as I am concerned therefore, no harm = no punishment, and the government are simply prohibiting possession on the grounds of taste alone, which is not acceptable in a free democratic country. Even in the case of works of bestiality, distasteful though they may be, to most, including myself, the proof of harm in most cases, is not forthcoming.

If this is the way you go about upholding our HUMAN RIGHTS in this country, I'd rather you SIMPLY DID NOT BOTHER. Indeed you are probably doing MORE HARM than good, by agreeing that these kind of blatant human rights violations are acceptable.

I am hardly surprised the ECHR (now part of British Law) is an utterly worthless legal instrument, given your support for the governments potential violations of it.

Freedom of expression is a most desirable right, and it is a fundamental right. Any curtailment of it, MUST be proportionate, and necessary, after showing a pressing social need. It should not be given away lightly regardless of how distasteful certain material might be. Only demonstrable evidence of REAL and MANIFEST harm should be justification for restriction. It seems that you people at Liberty disagree with this however.

Even most of the Daily Mail readers, on their internet discussion forums didn't agree with the government's position on this issue. I am very surprised, and shocked to learn of Liberty's position on it.

Perhaps you are all just future government people in waiting, preferring not to rock the boat ? If that's the case it would have been better to say NOTHING rather than give this endorsement of such repression, or leave the business of defending our freedoms to others, who have no fear they might enter the establishment with a track record or history.

You really should be ashamed of your response you know.

It will certainly give the authorities more excuses for battering innocent people's doors down at 4.00AM in the morning..

<Shudder>

This new restriction will not be justice, and it will not be liberty.

It will be more repression supported by an organisation bearing the name "Liberty."

 

29th December   Update: I believe in Liberty BUT...not for sex workers

I spotted another example where Liberty is staffed by people who don't believe in sexual liberty

Labour Home Office minister, Fiona Mactaggart, said that it was wrong to regard those involved in prostitution as sex workers. She said tough measures were needed to tackle the markets for prostitution. I'm not tolerant of the view that prostitution is the oldest profession in the world and there's nothing we can do to reduce it. Prostitution blights communities. We will take a zero tolerance approach to kerb crawling. Men who choose to use prostitutes are indirectly supporting drug dealers and abusers. The power to confiscate driving licences already exists. We want the police to use that power more.

Previously in her career she was the chairperson of Liberty. This must make for a classic: I believe in Liberty BUT...not for sex workers

 

9th December   MPs Reply

Perhaps the issue of how Joe Public is expected to know when porn is violent could become the major sticking point as the legislation inevitably goes to Parliament. After all the European Convention of Human Rights requires that laws are defined such that we know when we are breaking them.

From Lib Dem Mark Oaten. MP for Winchester

Thank you for your recent email regarding the current Government consultation on extreme pornography. The Government is proposing a new offence of possessing violent and abusive pornography, punishable by up to three years in prison.

I support sensible measures which protect children from extreme sites. However, the government must avoid creating a nanny state or introducing laws that can't be enforced. One key issue is that the Government clearly needs to provide a very clear and succinct definition of what constitutes violent and abusive pornography. I will continue to work on this issue when legislation is brought to Parliament now the consultation has closed to make sure any measures are sensible and proportionate.

Thank you for contacting me about this important issue.
Yours sincerely
Mark Oaten MP

 

8th December   Dear Local MP

Assuming that the Home Office has already decided that they will go ahead with their noxious legislation then it is time to consider the next move. As the next step is parliamentary debate then it seems logical to start sounding out of our MPs. I wonder how many of them have close friends or family who are secret downloaders who could be liable for prison. Quite a few I would have thought.

My local MP is actually David Lepper, one of the architects of this nasty idea. Strangely I first came across his name in  connection with Liberty in Brighton. How easily politicians succumb to a jerking knee!

Thanks to Michael who has started the ball rolling with his submission.

Dear Mr Murphy

I am writing to you with some rather grave concerns regarding fundamental flaws in the proposed legislation to criminalise 'extreme' pornography, and the activities of a certain group called 'Mediawatch'.

Firstly the proposed legislation, which is, until the end of this week, still at the consultation stage. As I'm sure you are aware, the legislation plans to criminalise the viewing and possession of so called 'extreme' pornography, punishing transgressors with prison sentences of up to 3 years. Whilst I must stress that the material the government are seeking to legislate against is absolutely not to my own taste, one must appreciate the need for tolerance of other people's individual tastes and sexual orientation, and if they are not doing any harm to anyone, surely any legislation which would seek to criminalise them has absolutely no place in a democratic society. Pornographic material involving paedophilia, or for that matter any material where people are being exploited or hurt against their will, absolutely should be banned. However, the vast range of material which is proposed to be included within this legislation (including safe practices between consenting adults such as bondage) will almost certainly cause a great number of people to unwittingly fall foul of the law. Given the way in which a PC stores files, even someone who has accidentally visited an illegal website could potentially be criminalised, prosecuted and imprisoned.

As to the legislation itself, it is stupefyingly vague and riddled with irregularities. If the legislation itself cannot define in no uncertain terms what type of material is to be included, how on earth can the average person be expected to judge for themselves? It would appear that judging would take place on the basis of personal taste, which as we are all aware differs greatly from person to person, leaving much scope for inconsistency within the law. The legislation, at least in it's current state, does not even seem to have any understanding whatsoever of the term 'consent', nor does it seem able or willing to make the distinction between fantasy and reality in relation to the type of material it seeks to outlaw.

Looking ahead to a time when this legislation may become law, what will inevitably start to happen is that people who have never before committed a crime would quite literally be criminalised overnight. The numbers could quite easily run into tens of thousands, and if you think that this is an over-estimation, imagine how many loving couples regularly enjoy activities in the privacy of their own homes which could be affected by this legislation. Three years imprisonment would certainly lead to divorce, the loss of homes, destruction of family units and even suicides. If the issue of extreme pornography is such a threat to this country, then surely more effort should be made to eliminate it at source rather than simply making the viewing of it a crime? I can also envisage a huge influx of court cases involving people claiming to have had their basic human rights violated by being arrested simply for viewing this material. In a democratic society, where all minority groups must be seen to be treated fairly and equally, legislation simply cannot be concocted to single out certain groups for persecution. This is almost certainly what will happen. Thousands of otherwise innocent people will be negatively affected by this legislation as it stands at the moment - there is no getting away from this.

I think that some very fundamental issues are raised by pressing for this legislation which require a much closer look at the people who are pushing for it and their motives for doing so. This legislation came about because of the murder of June Longhurst by a man who was supposedly hooked on violent internet pornography, and one must feel the deepest sympathy for the grieving relatives she left behind. However, as the only evidence which links her murder to the issue of violent pornography are the hysterical headlines of sensation hungry journalists, this is hardly the basis upon which to be making far-reaching decisions involving the law. The main pressure to ban violent pornography seems to have come from newspapers and a pressure group called Mediawatch UK, and I have grave concerns regarding the true motives of both, but more especially the latter, who appear, in no uncertain terms, to have hijacked this campaign for their own ends.

For example, John Beyer, on the Mediawatch website, has already stated that he feels that the list of material covered by this legislation is far too limited and should be extended to include material classified 18R by the BBFC. He states that "The penalty appropriate for these new offences should be a minimum of three years imprisonment with heavy fines and confiscation of assets...". This could easily extend the number of 'overnight criminals' caught up in it's wake by a few million if it does get extended to include 18R rated pornography. What could possibly be the justification for this? As for the heavy fines and confiscation of assets, who exactly will this money benefit? It can't possibly be the victim's families when the crime in question has no victim. How can any organisation such as Mediawatch that claims to be acting for the greater good possibly justify wanting to send innocent people to prison because their private bedroom activities do not fall into a category that is morally acceptable by their standards? The proposed legislation is obviously already being seen by Mediawatch as 'the thin end of the wedge', and if they are successful this time, then pressure for further censorship will inevitably follow. And if they are successful in helping introduce laws which actively discriminate against certain kinds of sexual orientation, what could follow; pressure to legislate against certain religions? Or races?

Anyone who enjoys the freedom of living in a democracy must find the implications of this absolutely horrifying. Where will it end? Being that they contain "realistic scenes of sexual violence, staged or otherwise", could people be sent to prison for up to 3 years for owning DVDs of critically acclaimed and BBFC certified movies such as 'A History of Violence', 'Irreversible', 'Salo' or even the Oscar winning drama 'The Accused'? It obviously doesn't matter to Mr. Beyer, who apparently thinks nothing of flying in the face of the BBFC, who despite having over eighty years experience of classifying films, are clearly not up to the task in his opinion. A supposedly non-political organisation such as Mediawatch, run by such a small number and narrow representation of the general public should never have been allowed to have so much influence in matters of government. Mediawatch UK should be more stringently regulated, and like the BBFC itself, should be made to be more publically accountable to the whole spectrum of the UK's population seeing that it so clearly exerts such an influence.

I have no doubt that Mediawatch, as an organisation, were founded upon a decent set of principles, with the greater good of the general public at heart. However, it would appear that this is no longer the case when such a vast number of the general public could be very seriously and negatively affected by legislation brought about by their actions. As an organisation, Mediawatch have every right to campaign to have something banned if its members find it offensive. However, they DO NOT have the right, as a non-political organisation, to determine government legislation, attempt to undermine a government-accountable body such as the BBFC, and more importantly, they absolutely DO NOT have the right to decide amongst themselves what sentence should be imposed upon those who would fall foul of this new legislation. Sexual preferences, government legislation concerning such matters and the sentencing imposed by courts upon transgressors of the law are no business whatsoever of an organisation which concerns itself primarily with maintaining standards within the media. If Mediawatch UK were going about their business appropriately they would be seeing to it that minority groups of all kinds are not offended or misrepresented by anything the media in general is doing. They most certainly should not be actively encouraging the persecution of certain groups of people simply because they do not agree with their way of life. There is a word for this type of behaviour - it's called facism. Whether it masquerades behind a mask of religion, morality or anything else, it is no different in essence to the policies of extremist groups like the BNP, which have no place in a democratic society.

Which is why I propose that the activities of Mediawatch UK be brought under control, through legislation if necessary, so that they are more accountable to the general public AS A WHOLE. For a non-political organisation, they are exerting far too much influence in matters of government, and with high ranking members with views as extreme as John Beyer, they are a very real threat to freedom of speech, equality and civil liberties in this country.

In short, if the aforementioned legislation comes into effect, it will send out a number of clear messages to the vast majority of this country's population:

1. That we are no longer living in a democracy.
2. That it is perfectly acceptable to legislate against certain minority groups on the whims of a very small number of people with unacceptably extreme political views.
3. That a higher prison sentence for viewing violent pornographic material than actually committing an act of violence yourself is legally right and morally acceptable.
4. That media-fuelled witch hunts founded on intolerance are also perfectly acceptable.
5. That this Government can no longer decide it's own policies, but instead must rely on pressure from dubious non-political organisations to help create the country's legislation.
6. That crime, terrorism, binge drinking, violence, drugs, teenage pregnancy, the struggling NHS, the woefully inadequate transport system, ridiculously expensive house prices, the pensions crisis, the recent economic downturn, compensation culture, benefit fraud and bullying in schools are nowhere near as important to this Government as creating overnight criminals of a huge number of otherwise innocent people.
7. That this Government have no qualms about wasting enormous amounts of public money.
8. That religious bigotry and intolerance is alive and well in 21st century Britain.

Are these really the messages that you want to be sending out to people?

 

6th December

updated 7th December

  John "Concentration Camp" Beyer

See Response from John "Concentration Camp" Beyer of Mediawatch-UK

From the Mediawatch-UK response to the Government consultation on the possession of violent pornography.

We agree that the possession of material listed in paragraph 39 of the consultation should be illegal but this list is too limited and should be extended to include material listed by the BBFC as suitable for classification at ‘R18’.

The penalty appropriate for these new offences should be a minimum of three years imprisonment with heavy fines and confiscation of assets and destruction of the guilty person’s pornographic articles, computer and/or video and DVD copying equipment. Penalties should also be available for those who upload such images, Internet Service Providers who host it and telecommunications companies who allow access to it.

Did I read something in the bible along the lines of : If thy neighbour's private bedroom pleasures offend you, then pluck out his eyes and send him to prison for three years?

Even if it does not appear quite like this in the bible I believe that it must have been an error in translation and the sense was indeed as above.

I simply cannot believe the depths of intolerance and persecution that supposedly religious people are descending to. How can any civilised person wish a 3 year prison sentence on the totally harmless bedroom activities of say a couple of million people.

It is about time religious bosses got their act together and stopped their religion from being hijacked by warmongers, torturers, child molestors, terrorists, violent mobs and Mediawatch-UK.

7th December   Update: Dan Writes

Dear Melon Farmers,

The attitude of Mediawatch UK and John Beyer towards pornography and R18 rated material shows how power hungry this pressure groups has become.

When the National Viewers and Listeners Association was set up in the 1960s by Mary Whitehouse it was designed to give a voice to viewers concerned over violent and sexual content on TV. You could debate the rights and wrongs over Whitehouse's "clean up TV" campaign but at least she was well meaning and concerned for her fellow man and woman.

Contrast this with John Beyer and the NVALA's new guise Mediawatch UK and see what a bunch of heartless dictators they are.

They have gone from an organisation that was maybe misguided but had it's heart in the right place to an organisation that is just plain vicious and wants to have their fellow men and women persecuted and punished by law for merely watching things they disapprove of.

They would happily see people thrown into jail simply for watching sex on screen. Innocent people simply enjoying watching consensual sex which is doing no harm to anyone else.

The chances are that someone on their road could be watching sex on screen, would they want their homes raided by the police and for them to be locked up for three years?

John Beyer says that sex is a "private matter" yet he wishes the law to interfere with this "private matter" in the most draconian way!

Let's hope the law does not sympathise with the Mediawatchers and prevents John Beyer and other so called moral guardians from sticking their noses in OUR HOMES!

 

4th December   Extremely Little More Time

From www.backlash-uk.org.uk

It's probably posted elsewhere but the time limit to the Government consultation has been extended by about a week.. so if you missed the post today...never fear!

Manniq rang up as he was getting close to deadline and they said that was the case.

 

3rd December   300 Responses

From www.bondage.com

I finished my response to this last night and knowing the deadline is tomorrow I took it by hand to the Criminal Law Policy Unit this evening rather than hope that the royal mail would get it there on time.

One of the staff had to come down to the entrance to collect it from me so I asked him how the response had been.

He said considering it's just a consultation document it had received a very good response.

Somewhere in the region of 300 reasoned responses of more than a single page of text with probably another 200 or so who just agreed or disagreed.

 

2nd December   Last Day

If you have not had time to fill out the response fully, here is a nearly completed minimal response. The header needs filling and of course, feel free to edit in your own answers to the proposal questions.

Then email it to: CLPUconsultations@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

Please complete the details below and attach it with your response. This will help ensure we handle your response appropriately:

Name:

Postal Address:

Consultation title: CONSULTATION ON THE POSSESSION OF EXTREME PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL

1. Are you responding as: an individual ?

Answer: YES

2a. INDIVIDUALS:
Do you agree to your response being made available to the public (in SE library and/or on SE website)?

Answer:

2b. Where confidentiality is not requested, we will make your response available to the public on the following basis (please tick one of the following boxes)

Yes, make my response, name and address all available ?
Yes, make my response available, but not my name or address ?
Yes, make my response and name available, but not my address ?

Answer:

SHARING RESPONSES/FUTURE ENGAGEMENT

3. We will share your response internally with other SE policy teams who may be addressing the issues you discuss. They may wish to contact you again in the future, but we require your permission to do so. Are you content for the Scottish Executive to contact you again in the future in relation to this consultation response?

Answer:

Questions in the Proposal

Current Legislation
1. Do you think the challenge posed by the Internet in this area requires the law to be strengthened?

Answer: No.

Evidence of Harm
2. In the absence of conclusive research results as to its possible negative effects, do you think that there is some pornographic material which is so degrading, violent or aberrant that it should not be tolerated

Answer: No

Content of Material
3. Do you agree with the list of material set out ?

Answer: No.

4. Do you believe there is any justification for being in possession of such material?

Answer: Yes

Options

5. Which option do you prefer?

Option 1: add the offence of possession of obscene material to the OPA
Option 2: add the offence of possession of depictions of violent porn, bestiality and necrophilia to the OPA
Option 3: create a new offence of possession of depictions of violent porn, bestiality and necrophilia
Option 4: do nothing

Answer: option 4

6. Why do you think this option is best?

Answer: The Government have not provided any justification for their restrictions.

Penalties
7. Which penalty option do you prefer?

  • To impose a maximum penalty for possession less than the current OPA penalty of 3 years
  • To impose a penalty for possession of 3 years and increase the penalty for OPA offences to 5 years.
  • None

Answer: None.

 

30th November   Caning Government Spin

Lupus are know for some of the highest quality and strongest BDSM videos/DVDs around...(get them while you still can!)

Thanks to Alan

In the light of some of the nonsense about "coercion" and "harm", you may be interested in the following link to an interview with a "sub" actress, Niki Flynn. Note that she's American and the Czech company is obviously offering fees large enough to recruit Yanks!

Link: http://www.lupus-pictures.com/en/projects/lp022_eastwest.xtml

 

24th November   Extreme Stretching of Remit

The use of the phrase: extreme pornographic material; especially where it depicts particularly violent behaviour, bears out the worrying that the Home Office have got their sights set on fisting/urolagnia etc not just the violent pornography talked about in the consultation paper

I am starting to think they are going to extend the definitions to make all 'obscene' material imprisonable to own. After all it sounds like Customs have told them this is what they want. And it seems to be a current fad that the police/customs are able to influence lawmakers to pander to their convenience at the moment.

From www.backlash-uk.org.uk

The following is the response my MSP received from Cathy Jamieson, Minister for Justice: Thank you for your letters of 2/11/5 to the Home Secretary and me, on behalf of your constituent,............

I am sure you will appreciate concerns about the availability of extreme pornographic material; especially where it depicts particularly violent behaviour.

In recent years advances in technology, particularly the use if the internet, has meant that we need to review the effectiveness of the legal framework governing extreme pornography. The sale and distribution of the type of material being considered in the consultation would be unlawful under the law as it stands. Indeed, the law may have to be strengthened owing to the easy availability of this material via the internet. We are therefore considering whether possession of such material should be an offence, as well as the distribution of it.

24th November   Extreme Stretching of Remit

The use of the phrase: extreme pornographic material; especially where it depicts particularly violent behaviour, bears out the worrying that the Home Office have got their sights set on fisting/urolagnia etc not just the violent pornography talked about in the consultation paper

I am starting to think they are going to extend the definitions to make all 'obscene' material imprisonable to own. After all it sounds like Customs have told them this is what they want. And it seems to be a current fad that the police/customs are able to influence lawmakers to pander to their convenience at the moment.

From www.backlash-uk.org.uk

The following is the response my MSP received from Cathy Jamieson, Minister for Justice: Thank you for your letters of 2/11/5 to the Home Secretary and me, on behalf of your constituent,............

I am sure you will appreciate concerns about the availability of extreme pornographic material; especially where it depicts particularly violent behaviour.

In recent years advances in technology, particularly the use if the internet, has meant that we need to review the effectiveness of the legal framework governing extreme pornography. The sale and distribution of the type of material being considered in the consultation would be unlawful under the law as it stands. Indeed, the law may have to be strengthened owing to the easy availability of this material via the internet. We are therefore considering whether possession of such material should be an offence, as well as the distribution of it.

 

24th November   Petitioning for a Nasty Law

Well I wouldn't like anyone in my family remembered for provoking a law that locks up otherwise totally innocent people for 3 years for simply viewing pictures where nobody has done anything illegal whatsoever.

From the BBC

Liz Longhurst is to hand in more than 50,000 signatures to the House of Commons calling on MPs to ban violent internet porn. She said new laws would represent a wonderful memorial to her daughter, Jane, who was killed in 2003.

Distributing extreme pornography is illegal in the UK but material from abroad is still accessible through websites and it is not an offence to possess it.

Longhurst said: If we are successful in changing the law this will represent a wonderful memorial to my beloved daughter Jane who may still have been with us had her killer not been able to access these sickening internet images, which fuelled his dangerous fantasies.

The Home Office and Scottish Executive have been consulting on whether new laws are needed and what should be covered. They have proposed making it an offence to download and possess violent and abusive porn.

Longhurst's MP, Martin Salter, added:
This campaign has taken a huge amount of time and effort but it has struck a chord right across the country and this massive petition demonstrates the strength of feeling behind our demand to clean up the internet. We are now pretty confident that the government is serious about bringing forward proposals to change the law to treat violent internet pornography in the same way as child pornography."

 

23rd November   BBFC Response

The BBFC make some excellent points in their response. However it concentrates very much on the difficulties for the enforcing/prosecuting authorities in interpreting the very loose definitions in the proposals. This rather misses one fundamental point. Given that it is law persecuting internet downloaders not internet publishers, then if the authorities cannot define whether an offence has been committed, then how on earth can joe public expected to decide for himself.

The Home Office have proposed a law where it will be impossible for Internet users to decide for themselves what is illegal and what is not. I agree with Shaun,  we need criminal sanctions including prison for law makers that generate laws that so fundamentally trample on human rights.

Press release from the BBFC

BBFC PUBLISHES RESPONSE TO HOME OFFICE CONSULTATION ON THE POSSESSION OF EXTREME PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL

 The BBFC today published its response to the Home Office’s consultation on the possession of extreme pornography.  Whilst sharing the Home Office’s view that the easy availability of extreme pornography which features a lack of consent, serious violence, or both, is a cause for real concern, the BBFC has raised a number of questions about how the proposed legislation would work in practice.

 The Board’s main concerns are as follows:

  •  How would enforcement agencies judge whether the primary purpose of the work was sexual arousal?  Separating the ‘pornographic’ from the ‘non pornographic’ is becoming more rather than less difficult as film makers borrow styles images and themes from both sides of the divide.
  • It may be difficult to frame the various definitions in a way which ensures that mainstream material is not unintentionally captured.
  • Perceptions of whether an activity appears to be real will vary from viewer to viewer.
  • It is proposed that cartoons should be excluded, but given the advances in CGI technology cartoons can look very realistic and the Board has cut or banned violent pornographic Japanese anime.
  • The definitions of material such as sex with animals or a human corpse are wider than the definitions in the Sexual Offences Act 2003.   
  • Geographical variations in attitudes could lead to the anomalies which existed during the ‘video nasties’ era of the early 1980s as well as with current Obscene Publications Act (OPA) prosecutions with courts in different parts of the country returning different verdicts in relation to the same material.  
  • The legislation could lead to a reluctance to create legitimate works which seek to explore the nature and effect of outlawed material for fear that the research materials or even the resulting works will be caught by the legislation.

 The BBFC would like to see works classified by the BBFC specifically excluded from prosecution under the proposed legislation.  This would help ensure that material not intended to be covered would not be prosecuted and would also allow the public to be confident that they would not face possible prosecution for owning material as long as it was classified by the BBFC.  The BBFC also suggests that the legislation should include a ‘public good’ defence along the lines of that available to defendants under the OPA.  In addition the legislation could reduce the risk of confusion about whether to prosecute by requiring the Crown Prosecution Service to take account of the views of relevant authorities such as the BBFC.

 The BBFC takes the issue of sexual violence very seriously and research and our own public opinion polling tells us that material which would fall short of that covered by the proposed legislation is of concern.  An unintentional consequence of the proposed legislation could be that only the type of material which is specified on the face of the Act would come to be deemed to be harmful.  This could have the effect, not only of undermining the OPA, but of unintentionally undermining the BBFC’s classification Guidelines.  We would therefore welcome confirmation that the proposal should not be taken as a reason for the BBFC to liberalise its sexual violence policy.

 The BBFC has over 90 years’ experience of regulating the moving image and in its response to this consultation has offered it expertise to the Home Office.  Copies of the Board’s response can be found at: www.bbfc.co.uk/downloads/Extreme_Porn_-_BBFC_Response.pdf

 

22nd November   Light on the Truth

So how come the Home Office are planning to lock people up for 3 years for merely watching spanking videos? Hardly what I would call a light touch, more like a CIA torture interrogation

From The Register

Light-touch regulation, minimal legislation and a close working relationship with business is the answer to the net's problems, not least child pornography, according to UK secretary of state for trade Alun Michael.

Speaking to us at the World Summit, where he was the UK government's most senior representative, Michael said that working with industry on the child porn issue in particular had achieved more in one year that legislation could have done in five - and at minimal cost.

"Light regulation is the way forward. And a partnership between government and industry, and government and the voluntary sector. If you get those relationships right, you can get further than with a top-down regulatory approach. It’s not a soft approach, in many ways it’s a tough approach, but it’s one built on building relationships, building confidence and moving forward together."

It was in government's own interest to work with business and civil society, rather than attempt to deal with the internet and the problems it throws up with new laws, he said. Convergence of technologies makes it very difficult to have a rigid approach to regulation and to government. There are things that need to be dealt with - issues like international terrorism and child pornography - but our approach is light-touch regulation in co-operation with industry wherever possible. And we shouldn’t have regulation that anticipates problems that may never arise. Flexibility is very important.

As to the issue of human rights and freedom of expression on the internet, which also became a big topic at the summit, Michael declined to expand on the UK's official representations to the Tunisian government, stating only that:
Freedom of the internet is very important to us, and we have made that clear both on behalf of the EU and UK in the build-up to the conference and during it.

 

21st November   A Shoddy Consultation

From mail forum at www.backlash-uk.org.uk

Dear Pio Smith (Home Office Consultation Coordinator)

Re Consultation: On the Possession of Extreme Pornographic Material August 2005

On behalf of the Spanner Trust, I am making a formal complaint about the conduct of the above consultation.

The Spanner Trust was established in 1995 and defends the rights of sadomasochists of all sexual orientations and specifically campaigns to reverse the UK court ruling in R v Brown and Others (1992)

This consultation appears to contravene the Cabinet Office Code of Practice on Consultations (summarised in Annex D of the consultation) in a number of ways. In particular:

  1. There have been no informal discussions of the content of this document with
    relevant stakeholders.
  2. The Home Office has failed to send the consultation document to appropriate
    groups.
  3. No list of consultees was attached, so it was not apparent who had been consulted and when one of the Trustees telephoned the Home Office to make an enquiry was informed that no one other than the Metropolitan Police had been consulted.
  4. If attempts to find consultees are still ongoing (Annex C, 10), the consultation period will be less than the statutory 12 weeks.
  5. The consultation does not properly seek to gather evidence, nor does it invite challenge to its premises.
  6. The questions asked are leading and alternatives to regulation are notconsidered.

Firstly, the range of organisations contacted in the consultation process has been ridiculously narrow. I am not aware of any non government organisations who have been involved in informal consultation prior to the release of this document. This is hardly wide consultation ‘throughout the process’. In particular, it conflicts with the statements in the Code that

  • 1.1 Consultation is a continuous process that needs to be started early in the policy
    development process.
  • 1.2 It is important to identify proactively relevant interested parties and those whom the policy will be likely to affect. These groups should be contacted and engaged in discussion as early as possible in the policy development process.
  • 1.3 Informal consultation with these stakeholders should be conducted prior to the written consultation period. Not only does this lead to a more informed consultation exercise but it also ensures that stakeholders are engaged early and have a better understanding of the policy.

From Appendix C paragraph 10, the formal consultation document appears to have been sent to a very small range of organisations. Notable exclusions include the Liberal Democrats, Feminists against Censorship, Ofwatch, women’s organizations, victim support organizations, gay and lesbian organizations including Stonewall, youth, social, and probation workers academics such as psychologists and psychiatrists notably the British Psychological Society, representatives of the special hospitals such as Broadmoor, Liberty, Amnesty, and other civil rights organizations, BDSM and Fetish organizations such as Spanner Trust, SM Pride, SM Gays and SM Dykes, Skin Two Magazine and any trade magazines that filmmakers and others read.

The Trust only became aware of this consultation after it had been published and reported in the media when one of the Trustees followed up the news report by looking at the Home Office website. However, all of the Trust’s details are in the possession of the Home Office. The Trust submitted a response to the consultation document dealing with the Reform of the Law on Sexual Offences entitled “Setting the Boundaries” which was carried out in July 2000 and when the subsequent Sexual Offences Bill was passing through Parliament made a Submission to the Home Office and has subsequently had correspondence on the proposed amendment which the Trust sought to make with Lord Falconer the then Minister of State and his successor Baroness Scotland of Asthal QC.

I have to say that the consultation exercise into the Reform of Sexual Offences in July 2000 was extremely well and professionally carried out and, indeed, I recall that in our opening remark in our response we commended the Home Office. It was a paradigm of how to do a consultation. The contrast with this consultation on the possession of extreme pornographic material could not be more extreme. This must be the model which should be shown at Civil Servants Colleges up and down the country as to how not to conduct a consultation process. Some of my fellow Trustees are absolutely incensed that the Trust was not consulted and I would very much like to know whether this was due to downright incompetence on the part of the civil servants concerned or whether it was a deliberate decision not to inform us knowing that the Trust would certainly oppose the proposals in the very strongest possible manner.

The Code requires that the Home Office:

  • 2.6 Provide a list of consultees as an annexe to your consultation document and ask
    for suggestions of other interested parties who should be consulted. It may also be
    helpful to refer to any earlier or informal consultation.


This has not been done, nor has a name and telephone number to direct responses been supplied as required in 2.8 of the code. It is not clear if you perform this role as well as being a general consultations coordinator.

The Code also says:

  • 1.8 Some stakeholders, for example small businesses, children, consumers and those from minority communities, may be particularly difficult to reach. It is important to engage proactively with individuals, organisations and trade associations. Written consultation is not the only or even always the most effective means of consultation. Other forms of consultation may help in this process. These might include:

• stakeholder meetings;
• public meetings;
• web forums;
• public surveys;
• focus groups;
• regional events; and
• targeted leaflet campaigns.

It appears that the Home Office has made no attempt to reach people involved in the wide range of consensual activities that may fall under or be affected by this legislation. It should be noted that making viewing of one, poorly-defined, category of material illegal will have knock-on effects on businesses providing similar but legal material, because of the fear factor involved. As such people have been completely ignored, the partial Regulatory Impact Analysis is totally inadequate.

Such methods would need to have been used to reach those in minority communities, such as pornography viewers, actors and actresses and vendors, attendees of fetish clubs, vendors of BDSM equipment, and the wider BDSM community. While these people engage in activities that some find distasteful, this is no reason for not consulting them about the effects legislation may have on consenting, private activities. There are UK BDSM web communities such as http://www.informedconsent.co.uk which could have been approached as well as events such as the monthly London Fetish Fair as well as organizations which meet regularly such as SM Gays and SM Dykes who no doubt could have led your colleagues to other means to access these minority BDSM communities who are impacted by your proposed policy.

It is also not apparent what attempts the Home Office has made to reach a representative range of individuals in the entertainment and internet industries or ‘wider business community’ such as the Adult Trades Association or Ann Summers or Harmony, etc.

The consultation document itself admits that the list of contacts is not complete despite the 12 week consultation period having commenced. This is not acceptable as future contacts will have less than 12 weeks to compose a response.

Finally, paragraph 11 of Annex C says that: The consultation process should help develop the evidence base for the options outlined in the proposal.

The questions being asked are clearly leading and do not encourage other options to be explored or for assumptions to be challenged. This is in breach of the Code of Practice, which states:

  • 2.1 Ask focused questions, and be clear about the areas of policy on which you are seeking views. Responses that do not refer to the specific questions asked should still be accepted. Encourage respondents to provide evidence, where appropriate, to support their responses.
  • 2.2 Explicitly state any assumptions made about those who are likely to be affected by the proposed policy. Encourage respondents to challenge these assumptions.
  • 2.3 As far as possible, consultation should be completely open, with no options ruled out. However, if there are things that cannot be changed because, for example, they are part of a European Directive or due to prior Ministerial commitments, then make this clear. The risks and consequences of doing nothing should be outlined.

In particular, alternatives to regulation are not considered.

This conflicts with the Five Principles of Good Regulation, which state that regulation should be:

  • Proportionate: Regulators should only intervene when necessary. Remedies should be appropriate to the risk posed, and costs identified and minimised.
  • Accountable: Regulators must be able to justify decisions, and be subject to public scrutiny.
  • Consistent: Government rules and standards must be joined up and implemented fairly.
  • Transparent: Regulators should be open, and keep regulations simple and user friendly.
  • Targeted: Regulation should be focused on the problem, and minimise side effects.

Options ignored here would include:

  • an educational campaign for parents to keep internet access in pubic areas of their home, and what to teach their children to keep them safe on the net
  • education for the public on not clicking on everything they see on their screens
  • work with ISPs and internet monitoring companies to combat spam emails and rogue pop-up software
  • work with credit card and money transfer companies internationally to combat trade in images of crimes,
  • actions to help police clamp down on non-consensual actions that are then put on the internet, cf ‘happy-slapping’

Given these serious failures in enabling stakeholder involvement in formulating policy, I request that you

  •  extend the deadline for this consultation until an appropriate range of stakeholders have been consulted and have had time to respond
  • supply me with the list of those government organisations and non government organisations and individuals who have been involved in negotiation on this subject to date
  • supply me with the full list of people to whom this consultation document was initially sent by the Home Office of their own volition.
  • supply me with the evidence the Government has used to decide legislation is necessary, including any evidence that there is any demand/supply cycle as alleged in the consultation document.
  • explain why the Trust was not included in preliminary informal consultations.

Thank you for your consideration.

Yours faithfully
John Pendal
Chairman
The Spanner Trust

 

17th November   Violent Porn Legislation Could be Passed without Parliamentary Debate

From mail forum at www.backlash-uk.org.uk

If the consultation document is approved by the secretary of state because there were no real objections then it gets added to the Schedule to 3 to the Sexual Offenders Act 2003 It does not even go before parliament for discussion!!!!!

The Sexual Offenders Act is an encompassing act which allows additional regulations to be added as a government sees fit. This is the same as the Health & Safety at Work act where additional regulations can be added to affect workplaces without any consultation in parliament.

Manniq replied:

I mentioned it at the outset but felt it was a low possibility. However, the Government can always, if powers already exist in a particular Act, just use that Act to extend those powers.

I think the view we took back then was that it would be extraordinary for such a major change to legal principles to be rammed through like this - although I have to say that by now next to nothing would surprise me of this government.

My own sense is that the fact that they have mooted such very different approaches (including extension of the OPA and creation of a new offense) suggests that they are not clear enough about the way to go - so they would need some debate.

 

16th November   Dutch Sense

From Nachovx on the bgafd forum

Translated from www.nu.nl/news/619763/11/Donner%3A_geen_verbod_op_bezit_extreme_porno.htmlDonner

Dutch Minister fights sexual violence censorship plans : No ban on possession extreme porn

Minister Donner (Justice Dept.) has no intention of criminalising the downloading and viewing of extreme porn. This involves pictures of sex with animals and extreme sexual violence spread through the internet. A clear rejection of such material is wanted, but that is not what the law is meant for, says the (Christian Democrat) Minister. He said on Thursday in a response to written parliamentary questions by Van deStaaij MP (SGP) in a reaction to a British proposal to ban extreme pornography.

According to Donner there are several problems with such laws. In practice it would be difficult to enforce, as the acts occur in the private sphere. That incurs the threat of symbolic legislation. Gruesome porn The SGP was surprised by the "very withholding and lukewarm" reaction of Donner. Van der Staaij finds it incomprehensible that the Ministers believes criminal law is not meant to reject gruesome pornography.

The SGP will soon raise the issue when the budget of the Justice Department is discussed in parliament. Abused The faction points out the "beastly practices" occur in the Netherlands well, like in 2004 in the so called Kraggenburger Porn case. In that case a criminal gang had abused and assaulted three young African women in a small village in Flevoland. Amongst others, the victims were forced into acts of bestiality. Also, there had been plans of making a so called snuff movie, in which a victim is actually raped or killed in front of the camera Prison sentences The 37yo prime suspect in the case, according to the Pieter Baan Centruma psychopath, was sentenced to 14 years imprisonment by the Flevoland court last month. Other gang members had already received sentences of 5and 10 years.

 

10th November

update 11th November

update 15th November

  Extreme Shift in the Consultation Remit

A published response to the Home Office consultation concludes with the statement below. Certainly is a massive shift in proceedings that would seem to invalidate all the questions asked by the Home Office.

If the assertion is correct then the Home Office would be considering the nastiest piece of censorial legislation in the history of the UK. Perhaps they are joining John Beyer in considering the need for concentration camps to house the victims of the Government's crimes against humanity.

On the other hand there still may may be an incorrect inference somewhere. 

From Inquisition 21st Century

And just in case you are wondering exactly what is going to be banned under this new legislation, I have the complete list here (in simplified format obtained under the Freedom of Information Act). Note this list is by no means comprehensive as the Home Office Legal Department are adding categories and clauses all the time but it gives you an idea of how wide ranging this is:

  • Asphyxia. Where the person is being choked in order to gain sexual pleasure.
  • Bestiality. Sexual acts between humans and animals.
  • Bondage. Tying a person in an unnatural position for sexual gratification where the participant is unable to withdraw their consent (for example they are gagged).
  • Corporal Punishment. Inflicting pain on another person
  • Cruelty to animals. Includes organised dog fighting, bear baiting, badger baiting, cock fighting. Also ‘crush’ material which features humans stamping on vertebrates or standing on them with increased pressure until they are crushed.
  • Defecation. Voiding excrement from the bowels.
  • Enemas. Flushing the bowels with water, usually to drink the product or torture the victim.
  • Fisting. (anal or vaginal) Inserting a fist in the anus or vagina for sexual gratification.
  • Insertion of an object. Only where the insertion clearly inflicts pain.
  • Menstrual Blood. Sex between adults where the female is menstruating heavily and the blood is being smeared on the body or the used tampon is being sucked etc. This does not include post-intercourse depictions where a small amount of blood can be seen on the participants.
  • Necrophilia. Sexual intercourse with a corpse.
  • Sado-masochism. Sadists achieve sexual pleasure through inflicting torture and humiliation upon another person. Masochists desire maltreatment as a means of sexual gratification.
  • Scatology. Depictions indicating a general interest in excrement such as smearing or eating of excrement.
  • Urolagnia. The act of urination in the context of any of the following where a person is shown:
    urinating at the same time as they are engaged in a sexual act. The urination and sexual act must be seen at the same time. The sexual act includes those such as fellatio (oral sex) and masturbation which would not be obscene if shown without urination; smearing urine on themselves or another;
    urinating on another person; being urinated upon;
    drinking urine.
  • Violence (non-simulated). Scenes of actual violence or mutilation shown in an exploitative context where they are not part of a legitimate documentary. For example a compilation of newsreel footage concentrating solely on scenes of violence or mutilation. This would also cover scenes of actual sexual assault including rape.
  • Violence (simulated). Scenes of simulated sexual violence such as rape shown in an exploitative context where the activity is graphically depicted and clearly intended to appear non-consensual. This excludes scenes contained in serious dramatic films.
11th November
Customs Wish List

Update Thanks to Shaun & Paul

It would seem that the above list probably originated from HM Customs. As to the likelihood that this sort of list will be included in the final legislation its anybodies guess but it must be considered a distinct possibility at the very least.

Paul said that he received the following comment from a contact of mine concerning the new anti porn law proposals:

When I asked a senior officer in Custom`s legal department she didn`t disagree, in fact she said it would make their lives easier as it provided clarity as to what we will or will not be allowed to import. Hence the list they produced for the Home Office of things that they`d like to see banned and which will, you mark my words become the standard for this new law. And it goes A LOT further than we've been told, either by the ministers or in the consultation paper.

Shaun asked  the Home Office about the list and received the following response. I guess that the HM Customs submission would still fit the bill

Have checked that link and see the list to which you refer.

As I said previously, the only list we have considered for the purposes of the consultation is that in the consultation document. I am also unaware of any FOI request to the HO about the consultation document list so it is a mystery to me. As I say it is unclear where that list has come from.

Clearly, it is the sort of list that people may ask to consider in their responses, in the same way that others don't want any list.

CLPU

15th November   Cause for Extreme Concern

Thanks to  Inquisition 21st Century

I can now confirm that the above list of material does in fact originate from Customs. However a few background pointers do give credence to the possibility that it can be included in any legislation that the Home Office will draw up.

It seems that Customs were assigned the job of drawing up a list as they are considered as experts in this area. They clearly would like to see its inclusion as it would provide 'clarity' for material to seize.

A worrying interpretation is that the Home Office have been banging on about inconsistency and a gap in the law.

At the moment Customs may seize material on the list if found imported in the physical form of a DVD or magazine. The Obscene Publications Act can be used to prohibit any trade of similar material within the country and also of UK website content. However there is currently no law against downloading the same material from overseas sites via the internet.  In fact if Customs somehow intercepted a download of say a fisting video then they could nothing about it legally. Furthermore, this legal downloading could even be used to challenge and undermine the seizure of physical material. A seizure victim could ask how can this fisting DVD be considered obscene when the same movie is legal when streamed to your PC.

In fact the original premise of discussions in Parliamentary committee was how to ban the importation of this material from overseas. If the Home Office want to bring enforcement into line with what customs are seizing at present through the mail, the only way they can do it was to ban the ownership and frighten people into not downloading it. The Home Office spin has been to continually emphasise the link between the enforcement of violent porn prohibition with that of strong approach to child porn. Perhaps this is a deliberate addition to the climate of fear angle.

Having thought about the Government's perceived need to maintain controls on merely obscene material such as fisting, I am now convinced, that one way or another, HM Custom's list will somehow find its way into any legislation that results from the current consultation.

Definitely Cause for Extreme Concern.

I wonder if during the consultation there will be respondents that magically conjure up suggestions, similar to Customs, ie that the list should be extended to cover obscene material. The Government could then say that they are merely responding to suggestions. Perhaps they could even say that they have found a compromise half way to John Beyer's wish for concentration camp Britain.

 

5th November   More Harm than Good

Good work from DarkAngel5 who writes to the Home Office. From The Melon Farmers' Forum

Dear Sirs
With regards to your consultation on the proposals to make possession of "Extreme Pornographic Material" a criminal offence, I would like to put forward the following points.

Whilst I have no interest in such material and find it all thoroughly distasteful, I feel I must speak out in opposition to these proposals. It seems that the government is trying to criminalise matters of “taste” as there is no evidence what-so-ever to suggest that viewing such material is harmful, that the persons involved are actually being harmed, or that it has a corrupting influence on those who choose to look at it, unpleasant as it may be.

I have been an avid anti-censorship campaigner for many years, owing to my love of horror films. Of which, I have my own review site and am a regular contributor to cult-movie publications such as “Vengeance magazine”, so have an active interest in all matters of censorship, be it state-imposed or otherwise.

Having read through your proposals I therefore feel that on balance they go too far. Unless there is any proof that the persons actually involved in the images were non-consenting, then no harm is being done and no action should be taken.

Perhaps the most worrying part of the proposals I can see are the wider implications to ordinary members of the public these will have. Whilst you claim that the proposals are not there to criminalise people who view such material by accident, or are inadvertently exposed to it, I fear that this will not be the case.

There have been many people who have been prosecuted for inadvertently possessing child porn images, because they were unfortunate enough to have bought second hand computer equipment with the offending images already on the hard drive. Or similarly because images were found in their computers “internet browser cache”, as somebody else had been using their PC to look at illegal sites without the owners knowledge/consent.

It therefore follows that if possession of “extreme pornographic material” becomes a criminal offence, then people will similarly be charged and prosecuted simply for having images on their computers which were the result of a third person, or through accidentally having images in their internet browser cache from inadvertently viewing a site whilst looking through the many mainstream “adult” sites, as many of these cater for all sorts of tastes.

Another detrimental affect of this proposed law is that many cult movies, such as “I Spit on Your Grave” or “Last House on the Left”, which are cut in the UK but legally available to import uncut from abroad, would probably fall foul of these proposals due to the graphic scenes contained within them. Customs officers are not film critics, and whilst the BBFC may have no problem in passing them with minor cuts, customs may take a much different view which would undoubtedly lead to a prosecution and/or a police raid. Believe me, stranger things HAVE happened to persons simply trying to import consensual “adult” porn titles.

It has been my observation that this whole thing appears to be a "knee-jerk" reaction in response to the case of "Jane Longhurst" who was killed by a person who regularly viewed such material on the internet. This proposed law will not prevent future cases like this from happening, whether people are able to access such material or not. Legal or otherwise.

To summarise, I feel that these proposals should be scrapped and no action taken against individuals wishing to view it, as it will not deter or prevent people from doing so and it would also criminalise ordinary people who like to view material such as consensual “bondage” or “sado-masochism” acts. The only time any action should be taken is if the persons participating in the material were not consenting, and any such action should be directed towards the site’s HOST. Not the innocent person trying to view it.

Lastly, attempting to catch people downloading it from the web would simply divert much needed resources away from the fight against child porn, so the proposals would simply do more harm than good.

5th November
Paul Taverner contributes:

Well done. Thats exactly the sort of response that is required to the Home Office consultation. The Goggins of this world must be shown that members of the public will not tolerate legislation that is not based firmly in evidence of harm. It is the Government's role to protect people from victimisation not to encourage it. If anyone else is considering responding here are a few other points worth thinking about.

The Home Office proposals are unacceptable because:

1) Mostly legal acts between consenting adults (realistic depictions) would be criminalised.
2) Much accidental possession would be impossible to distinguish from deliberate possession.
3) The proposals would introduce crimes of context tantamount to thought crimes.
4) Abandonment of evidence in favour of prejudice would set a terrible precedent.
5) Penalising people for their innate sexuality is totally unacceptable in civilised society.
6) It would do nothing to prevent madmen murdering people nor would it prevent sex crimes.
7) It would encourage an atmosphere of fear and intolerance over sexual orientation in society.
8) The serious penalties proposed would disproportionately restrict Freedom of expression.
9) Valuable police resources would be diverted from real crime involving real people in the UK.
10) Large sums of public money would be wasted in court cases, investigations and jail.
11) The Human cost in terms of, loss of jobs, homes, families and lives would be unacceptable.
12) The harm caused by the proposals would be totally disproportionate to the benefits (if any).

 

5th November   A Month to Go

There is less than one month left to respond to the Government's plans to restrict sexual expression on the Internet and elsewhere.

The response from Ofwatch can be read here responses must be received by 2nd December and must be sent to

Consultation on Possession of Extreme Pornography
Criminal Law Policy Unit
2nd Floor, Fry Building
2 Marsham Street
London SW1P 4DF

Tel: 020 7035 6981
Fax: 0870 336 9141

or by email to: CLPUconsultations@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

 

23rd October

updated 29th October

  A Liberal View

Given the constraints on politicians to speak openly on the subject, I was personally very impressed by the response from Charles Kennedy,

Many thanks to David who wrote to Charles Kennedy and received the following response to the following points:

I simply asked what the lib dems position was on the ban of violent porn and the worrying precident set re censorship.

I explained that my partner & I found it appalling that we could be put in the same bracket as child abusers simply for viewing material made by consenting adults.

I emphasised that no new laws were necessary - if someone was forced to participate then that is assault, child sex is already covered.


David

Thank you for your recent letter regarding pornography and censorship. Please accept my apologies for the delay in replying.

With regard to the proposals on sexually explicit material, I recognise that some people see such material as a symptom, or even a cause, of a degraded society. Such material may seem worthless or offensive to many people, and I entirely respect and understand those concerns. However, Liberal Democrats firmly believe that matters of taste have no role in censorship. In holding this policy, we are not condoning sexually explicit or violent material. We are stating the principle that people should be able to make their own judgments about what they say, read or see, without interference from the State, unless there will be real harm to others. As a Christian, I do not condone sexually explicit material. As a Liberal, I respect other people’s freedom to make their own choices.

However, our policy clearly states that freedom of expression is not absolute. We recognise that it may cause harm to others and so must be balanced against other rights and interests, such as privacy and the protection of children. As John Stuart Mill, the great philosopher, wrote:

“The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised society, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant” On Liberty, (1859).

Censorship should no be imposed unless it is truly necessary to protect some other vital objective.

We, of course, recognise that there must be some exceptions to what adults may watch in private and our policy sets out a clear censorship test for the content of sexually explicit material. This is based on the fundamental principles of legality and consent and builds on the existing guidelines of the British Board of Film Classification. We have absolutely no intention of legalising films involving bestiality, for example, or child pornography. The production of such films, involving illegal and non-consenting acts, invokes tough criminal sentences. The tougher sentences now being imposed by the courts in relation to paedophile activity are to be welcomed. I am sure you will share my view that the abuse of children is a crime of the most serious degree, and is rightly addressed by the criminal law. In order to tackle the influx of child pornography from outside the UK’s jurisdiction then co-operation between the UK and the home authority is crucial. To clamp down on Internet paedophiles we support a self and co-regulatory approach to address standards for material sent via the Internet. We would also encourage the BBFC to issue advisory certificates for films released and distributed via the Internet.

In order to better protect those who work in the industry we identify an important role for the Health and Safety Executive in ensuring that these employees enjoy full employment protection rights. We would also ensure that these employees are fully aware of their rights. And we advocate tougher penalties for those who exploit workers in this context.

Clearly, if people are being forced to participate in the making of sexually explicit material then those responsible should be prosecuted under the criminal law. And because of the vital importance of protecting children, we fully support the tougher sentences now being imposed by the court in relation to paedophile activity, including the exploitation of children in film.

There are some who argue that sexually explicit material leads people to commit acts of violence, but these claims are flawed. They are based on misleading evidence. Almost every major official study in the United States, Canada and the UK has shown that it is simply not possible to establish a direct causal link between sexually explicit material and violent behaviour.

The paper recognises that there is an important role for local authorities in licensing sex shops, who should have power to refuse a license for specified objective offences such as allowing access to under-16s, offensive window-displays or selling unlawful goods. We recognise the concern of many communities that they should enjoy protection against the opening of sex shops in their area, and there would be restrictions in exceptional circumstances, for example if the shop is to be located next to a school or place of worship. But we believe that it is better to regulate what goods may be sold – and to whom - rather than where they may be sold, especially in a society where many such products are readily and legally available in newsagents and in stores such as Boots and Selfridges.

I really do appreciate you taking the time to write to me and was very interested to read your comments. I hope I have managed to outline the party’s position on this matter.

Thank you, once again, for your letter.

Yours sincerely,

Rt Hon Charles Kennedy MP

(Dictated by Mr Kennedy)

 
Comment from Alan 29th Oct:

Charles Kennedy takes a generally sensible position, but....

Noting that the proposed legislation would criminalise mere possesion of "extreme" pornography, it might be worth the while of the original correspondent to raise some issues with him. Kennedy specifically refers to bestiality (almost certain to be included in any definition of "extreme" porn), but what of a case like the Italian film Osceno - www.egafd.com/films/details.php/id/o0006 - which is mainly a straightforward adult/erotic/pornographic (according to taste) film with heterosexual and "lipstick lesbian" scenes, but which does include a short scene in which an actress (maybe Karin Schubert) gives a blowjob to the family mutt? I suppose that most viewers would simply think "Yeukh!" and press the fast forward button, but merely owning it could make them criminals.

Another area of contention is mild sadomasochistic stuff, such as spanking. This raises interesting questions about what constitutes pornography. A website currently offers a CD ROM containing a film which is clearly being marketed as spanking erotica/pornography, containing several scenes of severe caning of a teenage girl. The actress may even have been below the magic age of 18 at the time. Now, here lies the rub - the film in question was a BBC drama broadcast free to air in 1989 (The Happy Valley). Produced as a worthy piece on the unpleasantness of British colonial rule in Africa, it is now being marketed as wanking material for male heterosexual sadists.

 

27th October   Money needed to help fight intolerance and criminalisation of pornography in the UK

From Ofwatch

A new organisation called Backlash is currently fighting against the Governments plans to criminalise the mere *possession* of violent pornography. The proposals would make possession of such content punishable by up to 3 years in prison. Any violence that leaves more than a transitory mark on the body in a sexual setting would be included as would any staged acts between consenting adults (the vast majority of such content).

If the Government proposals are not stopped surfing the Internet for erotic content will become a dangerous activity. It will be all too easy to encounter content that is illegal to possess and once your computer is contaminated with such material all too difficult to remove it. 

If the Government is allowed to impose legislation to criminalise mere possession of legal acts between consenting adults based on moral principles in the acknowledged absence of any evidence of harm,  then don't expect it to stop there. If the Government is successful in this attempt it will usher in a new age of intolerance and persecution of pornography and will make the relaxation of regulation over R18 much more difficult.

Please give what you can (see top of page):

http://www.unfettered.co.uk/backlash/index.html

You can also help by responding to the consultation document itself:

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/cons-extreme-porn-300805?view=Binary

 

22nd October   Goggins For Gagging

The shitty politicians at the Home Office talk about defending the UK against terrorists yet they simultaneously generate reasons and justifications for discontent. A country with free speech is worth defending. A country with repressive punishments for non-crimes is worth jack shit

Based on an article from The Guardian

Eight years ago, when Paul Goggins was first elected to parliament, the dotcom boom was in full swing, and the internet was widely seen as a source of opportunity. These days, Goggins looks at the web differently. Now the Home Office minister responsible for internet crime, he is among those in charge of the government's plans to further limit use of the net.

The source of the threat has changed, but after July's bomb attacks in London, th