RFE/RL: How exactly does someone -- a
government official -- block a website?
Bruce Schneier: You would put rules in the firewall. If you're a
country, there are a number of [Internet Service Providers (ISPs)]
that service that country. And all of those ISPs will be simply told
to block those URLs. So if you type in those URLs, they would not go
through and you'd get nothing. It's not hard to do.
RFE/RL: Okay, I'm sitting at my computer in my flat in Dushanbe or
Minsk and I can't access an article because it's been blocked. What do
I do?
Scheier: Well, that's the trick. There are many things you can do.
These blocks are really just for the people who aren't sophisticated
enough to get around them. There are proxy servers you could go to,
which basically is someone that will go to that [banned] website for
you, so it doesn't look like you're going there. There are anonymizers
you can use, which will hide the website you're going to so that the
ISPs can't see them, and can't block them. You just type "web-anonymizer
tools" -- or "web proxies" into Google and you'll find all sorts of
tools to bypass any of these filters.
RFE/RL: If you search for "web proxies," you get a page of results
with a list of numerical addresses to choose from, with their location
in the world listed next to them. Then what?
Scheier: It depends how they work. Some of them are so easy to use:
all they do is get the website they want, and there's no weird user
interface. Some require a little bit of configuring, but basically
they're ways to get around these firewalls.
RFE/RL: You often hear that a banned website is available as a "mirror
site." What exactly does that mean?
Scheier: A mirror site is simply a site that has the same information
as the site it's mirroring. A lot of times this is done for
efficiency, so a [mirror] site might be a big news site that gets a
lot of traffic, and it will just get overloaded. So they might have a
mirror site, which has the same information, which just allows more
people to access it. Now sometimes the mirror site has the same URL
and you don't even know you're using it. Sometimes the mirror site has
a different URL, and they're keeping that information [there] because
they're afraid they might take it down, or it might get censored.
RFE/RL: Is a mirror site ever put up by a content provider who knows
that their original site has been banned by a government, for example?
If a website is banned in Belarus, would its creators, for instance,
establish a mirror site with a Ukrainian server that isn't banned by
Belarus?
Scheier: Sure, that's very common. Especially if you're a politically
minded organization and you want your information out there. If you
know your URL is being blocked, for whatever reason, you might
establish a mirror [site] somewhere else to get around that blocking.
RFE/RL: Some of the governments that regularly censor the Internet are
not what you would call very modern. So how did they figure out so
quickly how to censor the Internet?
Scheier: There are easy tools you can buy for censorship. There's not
a lot of figuring out; there's not a lot of fancy stuff here. These
are commercial, off-the-shelf tools. Any ISP can block pieces of the
Internet. They might do it for reasons of efficiency; they might not
want to carry it [the entire Internet]. If the government says to its
ISPs, "Block these URLs," they can block them. And it isn't hard; it
isn't subtle. It's easy.
RFE/RL: Say someone wants to bypass their in-country ISP and try to
gain access to blocked websites by using an ISP outside their borders.
Can they go to a technical-support chat room on the Internet to ask
questions and get advice on how to configure their web browser?
Scheier: Honestly, it's way easier than that. Just type "anonymizer
tools" into Google and you'll get how-to's. You'll get tutorials;
you'll get tools. There's no reason to go into chat rooms and talk to
geeks who might speak in a language that's way too [complicated] for
you. It's easy to do. It isn't even hard.
RFE/RL: You work for a company that helps people both block and
unblock websites. Is the trend moving toward more Internet censorship
or less?
Scheier: It's an oft-repeated phrase that the Internet treats
censorship as damage, and routes around it. The odds are in favor of
the information. Yes, there are a lot of attempts to block - the
"Great Firewall" of China is a prime example. And some of these
anonymizers are [even] blocked. And it's a constant arms race.
But really, the battle is in favor of information. Because information
wants to be out there, wants to be disseminated, and blocking it is a
never-ending battle. So, yes, it can be hard. Some of these tools can
be blocked. I'm sure some of these tools we're talking about are
illegal in some of these countries. But information will get out
there.
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